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Cassandra anonymous's avatar

How disturbing. The times elevates a mutilated lesbian whose objective health and life functioning has been irreparably damaged as a paradigm for successful “treatment.” Where were the editors?

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Cassandra anonymous's avatar

How disturbing. The times elevates a mutilated lesbian whose objective health and life functioning have been irreparably damaged as a paradigm for successful “treatment.” Where were the editors?

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Lisa Simeone's avatar

I can't bear to listen to this podcast.

I remember when they announced it and said they were soliciting stories from people (I discovered this announcement on Substack, not the NYT; I rarely read it anymore). Since I know how the NYT has covered this issue for the past many years -- heavily biased and incessantly promoting trans ideology -- I knew the podcast wouldn't be neutral or objective.

The NYT isn't interested in reporting on this responsibly.

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Susan Scheid's avatar

Thank you for this excellent précis—and actually for watching this. I confess I could not bear another round of BS from my hometown paper, so I am particularly grateful to you for doing so and reporting back in your always clear-eyed, knowledgeable way. I have restacked.

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Kat Highsmith's avatar

When many doctors were lobbying to stop lobotomies, doctors like Walter Freeman would publicize stories of his patients who were really happy after getting a lobotomy, and there were several.

It doesn’t matter if people like FG are happy living a lie, which appears to have always been her goal, instead of accepting she’s a lesbian. If she’s happy when she deceives others into thinking she’s a man when she isn’t (even if she passes), that means the goal was fraud. Fraud should not be the goal of the medical industry.

The damage to society, to women, and to children simply outweighs the happiness of a few people who want to be something they’re not.

Just like the success stories and the “happy” results of lobotomies which were publicized, this is simply not in society’s interest to allow. The damage is too great.

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Sally J's avatar

I hope she doesn't get a fake penis. They have to extend your urethra and you can end up with repeated infections until you die from bacteria that have become resistant to the multiple antibiotics you've been subjected to. Cutting off leg or arm tissue and sewing it onto your groin is a recipe for disaster. If you want a bulge to “prove you're a real man,” just stick a pair of socks in your pants.

It may be intrusive to ask, but I want to know if she or anyone else who's done this can have an orgasm. Orgasms are a perpetual source of please for both men and women. If she's never had one, what's the point in having a pretend penis to push into someone else's vagina? The pleasure one derives from fake imitations in no way compares to actual orgasmic sexual satisfaction.

I work with a group that helps girls and women fight back against male intrusion in sports and female private spaces. We've written a federal US bill that renames “gender affirming care” to sex mimicry. We require each patient given these interventions to be tracked for the rest of their lives and beyond. We need data to prove if this is effective or destructive. Every doctor, nurse, social worker and mental health professional involved in convincing a patient to alter their body surgically or chemically will be recorded with medical records maintained beyond state medical history retention requirements.

Contact me if you want to help with this effort. Trump won't be in office forever. Democrats will reverse his executive orders as soon as they take back the reins in the US. We need clear and emphatic legislation Dems can't reverse.

UK folks let's create an international effort with your input to facilitate agreement on language and strategies.

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Anna's avatar

So much left unexplored. As Cori Cohn said, a deep sense of shame permeates FJ’s narrative.

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Amy Nesbitt's avatar

Bev, Thank you! I couldn’t restack fast enough!

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Anne T's avatar

Are you following Informed Dissent? They just did a response and critique of this podcast, with Jamie Reed.

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Dee's avatar

This is such a dangerous narrative, too. Kids first get sucked into declaring a transgender identity (Feel uncomfortable with the changes of puberty? Don’t fit in with same-sex peers? Questioning what gender even means? Once played with a stereotypical toy of the opposite sex when you were 6? All proof that you’re trans!) but then once they’re in the community and have changed their name, pronouns, style of dress and hair, making it hard to go back, they get mocked for being “trans-trenders”. Now they feel they have to prove they are worthy, that they’re “real” transgenders.

This is how kids are being trapped and manipulated into demanding medicalization.

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