Thank you for intervening for all women but particularly for lesbians. We can see how marginalised lesbians have become by the lack of attention paid to us in the media since yesterday’s decision. As you rightly point out, the lack of coherence around the status of men calling themselves lesbians and the impact they have on women simply trying to meet up with each other, had a pivotal role in the decision making. How can we have sexual orientation protection, when nobody can define lesbian, let alone woman. This lesbian is so very proud of LGB Alliance, Sex Matters, Scottish Lesbians, Lesbian Project and For Women Scotland
The work of the LGB Alliance, along with the Scottish Lesbians and The Lesbian Project, was clearly crucial to the Court’s thinking. This line you quote, which I love, makes this abundantly clear: “People are not sexually oriented towards those in possession of a certificate.” Although we are in the US, our lesbian household is a proud donator to your brilliant work, which has and continues to be inspirational to all us Ls around the world. And I am so pleased you spotted Evie U’s testimony in New Hampshire. The work continues, and we will get there. Meantime, thanks and praise to everyone at the LGB Alliance for leading the way!
Thank you, for such great work. The inner relief for all women is powerful, like fresh air and solid footings. So grateful to the U.K. Supreme Court for their unanimous judgement.
Congratulations, and I’m certain this also applies to men. As someone who has been hit on by women wanting to be gay for probably two decades, I think it’s a mild relief for gay men who have been trying to just keep gay places gay.
I’m genuinely happy that lesbians can get back to bars, clubs, camping, “Michfest” perhaps but above all, a place they can call their own.
Not just for the UK, because the rest of western countries, for one reason or another, are not up-to-date with the relevant questions, so what you did matters beyond UK.
I'm an italian man but I'm grateful (by the way, I agree that -and it's important to point out- gay men have less of a problem on app. I'm 45 so most of my friends are "settled", but a gay friend of mine is still "on the market" :P -and in Ireland now- and he is annoyed by the presence of women on dating apps, but of course he is not threatened. He even has the "luxury" of almost pithying them -because nobody will tell them anything directly, and yet they won't get many matches).
Anecdotally we hear some straight men go on gay men’s dating apps specifically to find these young women - who are eager to date a man to “prove” they are gay men. Very sad.
No it does not. It’s tells us what a TERF fascist is- a deluded, hateful, evil and violent person that masquerades as ‘protecting their rights’ by destroying others rights. Classic pull the ladder up politics- shameful as lesbians know how this feels. Please do not lie about GLF- you were NOT a founding member and have no right to use the logo- this is all in the archive. GLF was always trans inclusive. Worse of all, this ‘win’ makes life harder for all women and by your glee at a ruling passed down by three MEN (one of whom is religious and in 2012 suggested gay people be ‘cured’) is a doubling down of the gender roles and patriarchy which you claim to be against. Funniest of all though is your claim that this is a ‘definition’ in law applicable to the whole of society- it is not- it’s specially in relation to the EA- and as we we will see very soon- it is worthless because it is totally unenforceable in reality.
You’re clearly upset. Just a couple of corrections:
I was indeed a founding member of the UK Gay Liberation Front in October 1970 and a member of the first steering committee. I was the spokesperson on our first march at Highbury Fields in November 1970. This is all documented (e.g. in The Times. )
I have been a progressive all my life and have marched in numerous causes from women’s reproductive rights and anti-Apartheid to refugee rights.
The ruling was written by two women and a man (Lord Hodge, Lady Rose and Lady Simler)
Spreading false information and making abusive remarks is counterproductive.
Seeing as you are happy to chat Bev and have clearly got time:
That you see three unelected men (and two equally unelected women) handing down a ruling on everyone’s intimate daily lives as a ‘victory’ negates any claim you have to ever fighting for radical or even vaguely progressive change in society, which- as you will know- is exactly what GLF was and is about.
It is also unenforceable and therefore means nothing. The UK law has not been changed- the definition in the EA has- and that means precisely zero when it’s impossible to implement. You are in a tiny minority with everyone else- who do not have a brain drenched in hate-able to see what you are trying to do.
Women and the rest of the population understand your aims as deeply regressive, fascist and damaging to ALL women. This is why thousands came out in defence of trans people on Saturday, you at best achieve a few hundred fascist bigots at events.
All the work you do does is open the door for your rights as a lesbian to be stripped back by the religious, super rich far right that you have so happily jumped into bed with (mostly for cash).
You are like a really crap Margaret Thatcher - but more stupid and butch (yes, seeing as you are so keen on gender roles, your own performance with be described) - the oppressed becoming the oppressor is lost on your basic intelligence and the recognition of such too much for your fragile sense of self and narrative as an ‘activist’.
By the way- GLF was founded by Bob Mellors and Aubrey Walter after returning from America- they put up a notice about the first meeting in LSE, you saw it and attended (this is as per your own account). You did not found GLF. Please do not lie, it’s silly.
I’m sure now you’ve sprayed shit all over a country you don’t even live in, you can scuttle back to Holland- good luck attempting to affect similar change there.
Thatcher tried and failed to erase queer people in the 80s- something you were likely appalled by at the time- yet are very happy to try doing now- again, you won’t succeed.
You also make no acknowledgment of your white, financially privileged position- that would be inconvenient though wouldn’t it- your ‘movement’ has already- feeling that it has ‘dealt’ with trans people- moved on to immigrants- apparently the other group along with trans people that enact all the violence against women in the UK.
Your hate gang are also hailing the leader of the vile Tory opposition as a ‘champion’, showing how far your ‘politics’ have shifted.
You and your mates have also faked placards apparently at our protest on Saturday and reported these to the met police- who have checked and confirmed they will be taking no action because the signs were not real- they have issued a statement saying so- the cesspit depths TERF-fascists will go to are apparently bottom less.
I’m sure you could reach out to Reform UK next- these people hate your guts as a lesbian- in fact in the 80s people of that political position sought to take your kids away- but never mind that, that’s all forgotten isn’t it- nothing comes above hateful conspiracies against minorities.
At best you are a fascist agitator. We all see you. You cannot re-write history to suit you.
Fascists tend to cause upset babe- don’t be surprised when you are opposed. Your use of the GLF logo is disingenuous and opportunistic.
I have conducted extensive archival research and interviewed many people involved in GLF (they all hate you by the way), you hardly come up- you may have attended one meeting, but that’s where it ends. lol- ‘documented in the Times’- are you actually dumb as well as a fascist? Both it seems.
Gay liberation was not distinct from trans liberation and ‘gay’ sought to include gender diversity- you do not get to re-write history so it matches your fascist agenda.
It’s interesting that you are apparently such an unstable and flimsy lesbian that other woman (trans women) threaten to erase you at any moment, seeking as you do, reassurance from three male lords- pretty pathetic.
Your apparently extensive involvement is not documented in the collections of the LSE, Bishopsgate Institute or any other archive I have conduced PhD research in.
You were also written to by GLF, strongly denouncing your views, highlighting your dishonest use of the logo and most importantly, pointing out that GLF was always trans-inclusive and a ‘radical creative grassroots movement collectively committed towards the liberation of ALL’. Note the last word. You decided to remove trans people from that yet still claim to be GLF in spirit. You are a liar.
You may well have also gone on a couple of other marches- so what. All this only makes it even more disgusting that you would turn on and attack a vulnerable, marginalised community- you apparently know how this feels?- with more violent oppression.
Regardless of who handed out the ruling- in fact it was three men (Lord Reed, Hodge and Lloyd-Jones, and two women, and by the way Lord Hodge is a religious nut who in the past has said gay people should be cured- it remains unenforceable- which is why it will not be- instead life is made harder for ALL women- this is your ‘achievement’.
Of course you will remain a sexual separatist and continue to promote your silly conspiracy theory that trans people are erasing lesbians- you won’t win- this was made clear at a demo in London recently where thousands opposed your hatred- in contrast to the handful that show up for your ‘movement’ which is not grassroots but religious maniac and far right funded- the very same people that hate you as a lesbian by the way- that you take money from these scumbags is an astonishing act of self hate, even for you.
You have made clear what you are Bev- a nasty, sour little fascist, happy with her rights, pulling the ladder up and violently ensuring that others don’t get theirs- the joke is that those forces you have happily colluded with will be very happy to take your rights back off you- they are coming for you next. You remain too stupid to see it.
I’ll leave you with two quotes from a statement on your hate group LGB Alliance from GLF (the group you claim to have founded)-
‘The idea that sex and gender are different can only be pursued by people who wish to create, for their own nefarious purposes, a binary where none exists.’
‘Do LGB in this sad and bitter alliance know they’ve actually chosen to work with people who hate them?’
This was written by a founding member of GLF who then worked with the movement through its life span and in its more recent forms. They remain active against transphobic hate (like your own) today.
I would be interested in interviewing you for my research- let me know if you’d be available.
Thank you for intervening for all women but particularly for lesbians. We can see how marginalised lesbians have become by the lack of attention paid to us in the media since yesterday’s decision. As you rightly point out, the lack of coherence around the status of men calling themselves lesbians and the impact they have on women simply trying to meet up with each other, had a pivotal role in the decision making. How can we have sexual orientation protection, when nobody can define lesbian, let alone woman. This lesbian is so very proud of LGB Alliance, Sex Matters, Scottish Lesbians, Lesbian Project and For Women Scotland
The work of the LGB Alliance, along with the Scottish Lesbians and The Lesbian Project, was clearly crucial to the Court’s thinking. This line you quote, which I love, makes this abundantly clear: “People are not sexually oriented towards those in possession of a certificate.” Although we are in the US, our lesbian household is a proud donator to your brilliant work, which has and continues to be inspirational to all us Ls around the world. And I am so pleased you spotted Evie U’s testimony in New Hampshire. The work continues, and we will get there. Meantime, thanks and praise to everyone at the LGB Alliance for leading the way!
Well done. Damn well done.
Thank you, for such great work. The inner relief for all women is powerful, like fresh air and solid footings. So grateful to the U.K. Supreme Court for their unanimous judgement.
Congratulations, and I’m certain this also applies to men. As someone who has been hit on by women wanting to be gay for probably two decades, I think it’s a mild relief for gay men who have been trying to just keep gay places gay.
I’m genuinely happy that lesbians can get back to bars, clubs, camping, “Michfest” perhaps but above all, a place they can call their own.
You made history.
Not just for the UK, because the rest of western countries, for one reason or another, are not up-to-date with the relevant questions, so what you did matters beyond UK.
I'm an italian man but I'm grateful (by the way, I agree that -and it's important to point out- gay men have less of a problem on app. I'm 45 so most of my friends are "settled", but a gay friend of mine is still "on the market" :P -and in Ireland now- and he is annoyed by the presence of women on dating apps, but of course he is not threatened. He even has the "luxury" of almost pithying them -because nobody will tell them anything directly, and yet they won't get many matches).
Anecdotally we hear some straight men go on gay men’s dating apps specifically to find these young women - who are eager to date a man to “prove” they are gay men. Very sad.
O_O
No it does not. It’s tells us what a TERF fascist is- a deluded, hateful, evil and violent person that masquerades as ‘protecting their rights’ by destroying others rights. Classic pull the ladder up politics- shameful as lesbians know how this feels. Please do not lie about GLF- you were NOT a founding member and have no right to use the logo- this is all in the archive. GLF was always trans inclusive. Worse of all, this ‘win’ makes life harder for all women and by your glee at a ruling passed down by three MEN (one of whom is religious and in 2012 suggested gay people be ‘cured’) is a doubling down of the gender roles and patriarchy which you claim to be against. Funniest of all though is your claim that this is a ‘definition’ in law applicable to the whole of society- it is not- it’s specially in relation to the EA- and as we we will see very soon- it is worthless because it is totally unenforceable in reality.
You’re clearly upset. Just a couple of corrections:
I was indeed a founding member of the UK Gay Liberation Front in October 1970 and a member of the first steering committee. I was the spokesperson on our first march at Highbury Fields in November 1970. This is all documented (e.g. in The Times. )
I have been a progressive all my life and have marched in numerous causes from women’s reproductive rights and anti-Apartheid to refugee rights.
The ruling was written by two women and a man (Lord Hodge, Lady Rose and Lady Simler)
Spreading false information and making abusive remarks is counterproductive.
Seeing as you are happy to chat Bev and have clearly got time:
That you see three unelected men (and two equally unelected women) handing down a ruling on everyone’s intimate daily lives as a ‘victory’ negates any claim you have to ever fighting for radical or even vaguely progressive change in society, which- as you will know- is exactly what GLF was and is about.
It is also unenforceable and therefore means nothing. The UK law has not been changed- the definition in the EA has- and that means precisely zero when it’s impossible to implement. You are in a tiny minority with everyone else- who do not have a brain drenched in hate-able to see what you are trying to do.
Women and the rest of the population understand your aims as deeply regressive, fascist and damaging to ALL women. This is why thousands came out in defence of trans people on Saturday, you at best achieve a few hundred fascist bigots at events.
All the work you do does is open the door for your rights as a lesbian to be stripped back by the religious, super rich far right that you have so happily jumped into bed with (mostly for cash).
You are like a really crap Margaret Thatcher - but more stupid and butch (yes, seeing as you are so keen on gender roles, your own performance with be described) - the oppressed becoming the oppressor is lost on your basic intelligence and the recognition of such too much for your fragile sense of self and narrative as an ‘activist’.
By the way- GLF was founded by Bob Mellors and Aubrey Walter after returning from America- they put up a notice about the first meeting in LSE, you saw it and attended (this is as per your own account). You did not found GLF. Please do not lie, it’s silly.
I’m sure now you’ve sprayed shit all over a country you don’t even live in, you can scuttle back to Holland- good luck attempting to affect similar change there.
Thatcher tried and failed to erase queer people in the 80s- something you were likely appalled by at the time- yet are very happy to try doing now- again, you won’t succeed.
You also make no acknowledgment of your white, financially privileged position- that would be inconvenient though wouldn’t it- your ‘movement’ has already- feeling that it has ‘dealt’ with trans people- moved on to immigrants- apparently the other group along with trans people that enact all the violence against women in the UK.
Your hate gang are also hailing the leader of the vile Tory opposition as a ‘champion’, showing how far your ‘politics’ have shifted.
You and your mates have also faked placards apparently at our protest on Saturday and reported these to the met police- who have checked and confirmed they will be taking no action because the signs were not real- they have issued a statement saying so- the cesspit depths TERF-fascists will go to are apparently bottom less.
I’m sure you could reach out to Reform UK next- these people hate your guts as a lesbian- in fact in the 80s people of that political position sought to take your kids away- but never mind that, that’s all forgotten isn’t it- nothing comes above hateful conspiracies against minorities.
At best you are a fascist agitator. We all see you. You cannot re-write history to suit you.
Fascists tend to cause upset babe- don’t be surprised when you are opposed. Your use of the GLF logo is disingenuous and opportunistic.
I have conducted extensive archival research and interviewed many people involved in GLF (they all hate you by the way), you hardly come up- you may have attended one meeting, but that’s where it ends. lol- ‘documented in the Times’- are you actually dumb as well as a fascist? Both it seems.
Gay liberation was not distinct from trans liberation and ‘gay’ sought to include gender diversity- you do not get to re-write history so it matches your fascist agenda.
It’s interesting that you are apparently such an unstable and flimsy lesbian that other woman (trans women) threaten to erase you at any moment, seeking as you do, reassurance from three male lords- pretty pathetic.
Your apparently extensive involvement is not documented in the collections of the LSE, Bishopsgate Institute or any other archive I have conduced PhD research in.
You were also written to by GLF, strongly denouncing your views, highlighting your dishonest use of the logo and most importantly, pointing out that GLF was always trans-inclusive and a ‘radical creative grassroots movement collectively committed towards the liberation of ALL’. Note the last word. You decided to remove trans people from that yet still claim to be GLF in spirit. You are a liar.
You may well have also gone on a couple of other marches- so what. All this only makes it even more disgusting that you would turn on and attack a vulnerable, marginalised community- you apparently know how this feels?- with more violent oppression.
Regardless of who handed out the ruling- in fact it was three men (Lord Reed, Hodge and Lloyd-Jones, and two women, and by the way Lord Hodge is a religious nut who in the past has said gay people should be cured- it remains unenforceable- which is why it will not be- instead life is made harder for ALL women- this is your ‘achievement’.
Of course you will remain a sexual separatist and continue to promote your silly conspiracy theory that trans people are erasing lesbians- you won’t win- this was made clear at a demo in London recently where thousands opposed your hatred- in contrast to the handful that show up for your ‘movement’ which is not grassroots but religious maniac and far right funded- the very same people that hate you as a lesbian by the way- that you take money from these scumbags is an astonishing act of self hate, even for you.
You have made clear what you are Bev- a nasty, sour little fascist, happy with her rights, pulling the ladder up and violently ensuring that others don’t get theirs- the joke is that those forces you have happily colluded with will be very happy to take your rights back off you- they are coming for you next. You remain too stupid to see it.
I’ll leave you with two quotes from a statement on your hate group LGB Alliance from GLF (the group you claim to have founded)-
‘The idea that sex and gender are different can only be pursued by people who wish to create, for their own nefarious purposes, a binary where none exists.’
‘Do LGB in this sad and bitter alliance know they’ve actually chosen to work with people who hate them?’
This was written by a founding member of GLF who then worked with the movement through its life span and in its more recent forms. They remain active against transphobic hate (like your own) today.
I would be interested in interviewing you for my research- let me know if you’d be available.
:)
Can we have Lesbian Visibility Week back now, DIVA magazine? Apparently not. Looks like another year of honouring men.
https://diva-magazine.com/2025/04/23/the-diva-power-list-2025-has-arrived/